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another person telling me that i'm 'sick' and 'really' a guy 'pretending' to be a woman.

This time it came from someone chatting with [livejournal.com profile] naked_wrat on Yahoo, who posted a lightly edited transcript of the conversation to the [livejournal.com profile] queer_rage and [livejournal.com profile] feminist_rage communities.

So often, it comes back to the fact that i was born with visible characteristics of a human male, and that i'm obviously going against the grain, since i've only started growing 'female' breasts since i started taking hormones. However:
  • This argument assumes that one's 'sex' is decided by one's visible physical characteristics, rather than by one's internal physical characteristics (e.g. one's brain, the functioning of one's endocrine system);

  • Following on from that, my mental and physical health has actually improved noticeably since i started taking the hormones. Although i obviously can't rule out a placebo effect, i also can't rule out the possibility that my body is responding well to an influx of hormones that it was in fact deficient in;

  • i spent years trying to 'feel' simply male. It never worked. Feeling both male and female, however, feels very 'right' - i don't have to make an effort to 'feel' that way. And since i've started doing so, i've felt far more comfortable within myself.

What gets me the most, however, is how people like this Yahoo!-based jerk advocate genital mutilation to force someone to look either 'male' or 'female', and yet have the nerve to claim that my claim of transgenderism means that i'm the sick one!
 

Date: 2005-07-30 10:22 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] naked-wrat.livejournal.com
What an idiot eh?!

'Who decides who's crazy' as Billy would say. What right does this idiot have to tell you that you're messed up? You're the one of the most caring, intelligent, beautiful people that have cared to walk this little green and blue marble called Earth.

As far as I'm concerned this guy, and other people like him, are bits of toxic slag under my well heeled boot.

Date: 2005-07-30 11:30 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xxasimont.livejournal.com
Some people have some weird and narrow minded ideas about the world, and gender and sexuality seems to get people to run and hide inside their own little blinkered boxes faster than most other things. A lot of the time I just give up on trying to convince them that there just "might" be a reality beyond their current understanding! I'm hoping one day to meet you, I look forward to your posts on here and I know you would be a really interesting person to talk to.
Simon

Date: 2005-07-30 12:21 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yemaya-mama.livejournal.com
For a while now, whether in regards to gender or other things, I've always maintained a position of "there is no such thing as normal". I'm REALLY not a fan of the word, I'd have it banned if I could !! To me it 'normal' speaks as though there are things we should be ashamed of... when a fair chunk of stuff that's "normal", is really SICK to me... like that dude *shakes head* I would have liked to have ripped him a new one :P I can hardly even begin to imagine the challenges you face / have faced... and I really appreciate the insight that reading about you and naked_wrat's lives gives me into the whole genderqueer world. *hugs*

Date: 2005-07-30 14:13 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mzmartipants.livejournal.com
From years of experience there is no arguing opinion with fact. Idiots like the above mentioned are so fucking afraid of their tiny world crumbling that they cant see past their ass. I just sing em this song...

Marilyn Manson
Irresponsible Hate Anthem

And
all the children sing
We hate love, we love hate
We hate love, we love hate
We hate love, we love hate
We hate love

Fuck it!

I am so all-american sell you suicide
I am totalitarian I've got abortions in my eyes
I hate the hater, I rape the raper
I am the animal who will not be himself

Fuck it, fuck it, fuck it, fuck it

Hey victim should I black your eyes again?
Hey victim you were the one who put the stick in my hand
I am the ism, my hate's a prism
Let's just kill everyone and let your god sort them out

Fuck it, fuck it, fuck it, fuck it

Everybody's someone else's nigger
I know you are so am I
I wasn't born with enough middle fingers
I don't need to choose a side

I better better better better not say this
Better better better better not tell
Better better better better not say this
Better better better better not tell
I hate the hater I rape the raper
I am the idiot who will not be himself

Fuck it, fuck it, fuck it, fuck it

Everybody's someone else's nigger
I know you are so am I
I wasn't born with enough middle fingers
I don't need to choose a side

Let me see your middle fingers motherfuckers!

Date: 2005-07-30 14:33 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sh-tf-ckyeah.livejournal.com
Good for you for being both sexes! I think it's cool, and if thats what you feel, than thats what you feel. You can't change who you are and it's not wrong. Just be happy. Life is too short to not be happy ^_^

Date: 2005-07-31 00:42 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] flexibeast.livejournal.com
Aww, thanks sweetie! *passionate hugs and kisses*

Date: 2005-07-31 00:54 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] flexibeast.livejournal.com
Very true. :-)

Date: 2005-07-31 00:56 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] flexibeast.livejournal.com
From years of experience there is no arguing opinion with fact

Very true . . . . but sometimes i feel the need to challenge these jerks, shake them up a bit - even though doing so often leaves me shaking too.

Date: 2005-07-31 01:49 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] flexibeast.livejournal.com
gender and sexuality seems to get people to run and hide inside their own little blinkered boxes faster than most other things

Indeed! Which to me demonstrates how fundamental these issues are to human existence: gender and sexuality are such a very basic part of our sense of 'self' that things which challenge how we feel about our gender and sexuality are particularly provocative . . . .

I'm hoping one day to meet you, I look forward to your posts on here and I know you would be a really interesting person to talk to.

*blush* Thanks! It would be great to meet you too. :-)

Date: 2005-07-31 09:04 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] flexibeast.livejournal.com
*nod* Yes indeed - applying the notion of 'normal' to people and their behaviour is an important weapon in the arsenal of power-over ideologies . . . .

Thanks for the hugs. :-)

Date: 2005-08-01 07:51 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cheshire-bitten.livejournal.com
I makes me angry that for you to just live your life that there will be a barrage of idiots in the way.

I also find it kind of amusing that he doesn't appear to be homophobic, it seems sad that these people can accept gays as long as the stick to strict gender binaries.

Date: 2005-08-01 10:10 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] flexibeast.livejournal.com
Heh, well, of course, many lesbians and gays find blurring of 'boundaries' unacceptable too. :-/

Re. "just to live your life" - well, from my perspective, that's part and parcel of being a hierodule of Baphomet: people find me confronting, even when i'm just being. Since i've come to accept that, people's response to me doesn't get me as worked up as it used to - but clearly, there are still times when it does. i'm working on it. :-)

Date: 2005-08-01 11:35 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] naiyah.livejournal.com
I read that one; urgh! what a poo! *hugs*

Date: 2005-08-01 12:55 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] flexibeast.livejournal.com
Heh, indeed. :-) *returns hugs, with thanks*

Date: 2005-08-02 01:22 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cheshire-bitten.livejournal.com
I am glad that you are working on it, I have found that with my gender idenity the only useful thing I can do is accecpt myself and wait for other people to come around.

Date: 2005-08-02 06:07 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] flexibeast.livejournal.com
*nod*

So if i may ask, how do you identify, gender-wise, if at all?

Date: 2005-08-03 06:42 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cheshire-bitten.livejournal.com
Yes you can ask but as I am sure you understand it isn’t a simple question for me to answer and it is one which I have become hesitant to answer because of some fairly difference phobic* remarks I have received. I am female born and I don’t consider myself transgendered however at the same time I don’t really feel female and I have struggled with the for a number of years, however unlike many people who I have meet who have found comfort and self affirmation in gender/sex change I have come to find peace with the androgynus tending male feeling I have and my biological body as different and not contradictory elements of my persona. As for my dress I move between hyper feminine dress, corsets and long skirts, and very masculine dress in the form of business suits or army pants and black shirts as the mood takes me. I am amused by how male/butch my body language stays even in hyper feminine weeks.

*I love making up my own words.

Date: 2005-08-03 06:42 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cheshire-bitten.livejournal.com
I should also say that one day I would like to meet you too, I can't just leave the flattery to others now can I.

Date: 2005-08-03 12:19 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] flexibeast.livejournal.com
'Differencephobic' - a good word. i like it. :-)

Thanks for sharing all that with me . . . . it sounds like we've arrived at similar destinations in our exploration of our gender identities. Except i think you've probably got far more dress sense than i do. :-)

Date: 2005-08-03 12:20 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] flexibeast.livejournal.com
i assure you the feeling is most definitely mutual. :-)

Date: 2005-08-04 00:10 (UTC)

Date: 2005-08-04 14:16 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] roostersgrrl.livejournal.com
Found you on analplay and added you - hope this is ok......

Date: 2005-08-04 14:26 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] flexibeast.livejournal.com
Sure, that's fine - thanks! :-)

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